Many readers say that Troy is full of hate and that his hate negatively impacts his relationships. Do you agree or disagree? Explain.
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Troy's attitude is very rude and opinionated. As much as it seems that he comes off hateful, the fact is he can't consider another opinion besides his own. I disagree with the readers that say Troy is full of hate, because he is not hateful. The influence of being a black man in the fifties has made him prideful of himself. To him, everything he says is true and absolute.
The people around Troy find him ignorant. To Troy, everyone around him is ignorant; and for some reason, he can't get through to them. He tells them exactly what he's thinking, but most of them get upset. Troy thinks that all he's doing is being honest.
A lot of black people in the fifties felt degraded. It was hard to find a reason to feel proud of how you lived. On the other hand, Troy embodies a proud black man. He never agreed with the way black people were treated, and stood for what he believed was right. But in some cases, his family couldn't stand that part about him. Troy wouldn't let up when they tried to bring in a new perspective. When his son disobeyed him and his wife disagreed with him, it drove him up the wall. His reaction to what you say, all depends on whether or not you agreed with him. Troy's attitude towards people reflects how opinionated he truly is.
I defiantly agree that Troy is filled with hate and this does nothing besides negatively affect everyone around him. Troy has built up this anger and hatred from when he was a child and had a rather abusive father. This hatred has stuck with him all the way through adulthood. Somethings in life you should try to let however Troy does not instead he let's this hatred carry him through life.
The hatred he has within him it affects the people around him in a very negative way. There is not one relationship in his family that is on good terms. He treats his whole family poorly and with no respect. He try's to be like the father he never had but I think that he fails to make the good decisions needed to become a good father and wife because of this hatred.
I agree with the question. Troy has a lot of hate in him. All of that hate are what end up causing his relationships with others to not be as good as they could. He let's his hate get the best of him, and that causes him to take out all his anger on the people who care about him.
Troy's hate turns into anger and if he is angry about something he is angry towards everyone who is around him. Troy will take out his anger on his son, Cory, a lot, which makes his son begin to think that Troy does not even like him. Troy's hate and anger, puts his relationships with others in harm. I think that those relationships might not be able to last much longer.
Troy is full of hate and rage but his anger all derives from others hate for him. Living as an African American in the 1950’s was no easy task. Everyday having to subdue to any white man who called you a name, spit at you or hit you is very frustrating. I would expect a man that has gone through so much to be mean, it’s like the domino effect. Based on how someone is treated determines how the next will be treated. When you look past Troy’s anger you see a responsible, and loving man that does not mean to hurt anybody.
In each one of Troy’s relationship’s he comes off as cold but it is all in the best interest for the other person. With Rose, Troy is often pushy and demanding “You supposed to come when I call you, woman.” (43). If it wasn’t for Troy, according to Rose, her life would be chaos. With Cory it seems like Troy doesn’t want him to follow his dreams as a football player “ I thought we had an understanding about this football stuff. You were supposed to keep up with your chores and hold that job down A&P” (37). In actuality he was looking out for his son because he didn’t succeed as a professional athlete and he didn’t want to see him get hurt. I disagree that his hostility is negatively affecting his peers, it is helping them see what they couldn’t before.
Many people believe that Troy from “Fences” by August Wilson is a man full of hate and that this hate takes a toll on his relationships. What is truly within Troy, however, is a lot of love for his family and fear. He is scared that he won’t be able to provide them with the lives he thinks they deserve. He just wants the best for his family, but he is scared that they will be mistreated just as he had been in his life.
When Troy was a young teenager he left home and had to forge a path of his own (Wilson, 52). He believes he was discriminated against based on his race in his attempt to play professional baseball and in his current job as a garbage collector. He thinks that he was not drafted because of his skin color (Wilson, 9) and that jobs as drivers or haulers are given to specific races (Wilson, 3). When he sees that his son, Corey, wants to pursue football, Troy is scared that his son will give up stable opportunities and then be burned by his choice to play football. He doesn't want his son to be hurt like he was and refused to let him play football, even though that decision causes turmoil in their relationship. He pushes Corey to find a trade he can find work with his entire life, but when Corey retaliates it just puts more pressure on their relationship.
Troy does not want Corey to make the same mistakes he did. He wants him to have a better life than he did, but by trying to give him a better life he causes disputes between them (Wilson, 39). Troy makes decisions like these out of protection and love, not hate and resentment. Although they may be harsh on his relationships, he feels that his decisions will be for the better for everyone in the future.
Julie Wiegel
Troy is a character with a lot of hate. Though his hate isn’t necessarily geared toward them, it ends up negatively impacting his relationships with the ones he is closest to.
Troy doesn’t like the idea of colored people playing major league sports. This is because he didn’t make it far and thought it was because he was African American. His hate for these sports eventually ruins his relationship with his son Cory. He doesn’t think that playing football is a good enough job. On page thirty five Troy is talking to Cory about football and Troy says “That white man ain’t gonna let you get nowhere with that football noway. You go on and get your book-learning so you can work yourself up in that A&P or learn how to fix cars or build houses or something, get you a trade. That way you have something can’t nobody take away from you”. This quote shows that Troy isn’t going to allow his son to play a sport in the major leagues. He thinks that even if Cory makes it, someone will somehow ruin it for him and ‘take that away’ because of his race.
Another way Troy ruins his relationships with his hate is with Lyons. Though their relationship isn’t completely ruined, it is strained. Towards the end of scene one in act one Lyons came over on Troy’s payday and asked for Troy to lend him ten dollars. Before giving Lyons the ten dollars he throws a fit about how he hasn’t seen Lyons is weeks and the only time he does see him is when he needs something. On pages forty five and forty six Lyons comes back a few weeks later to pay Troy back. Before Lyons could say he had the ten dollars for Troy, Troy automatically assumes that Lyons is back for more money. He doesn’t listen to what Lyons has to say before assuming the worst and that makes his relationship with him strained.
Hate, an “intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury,” according to the online source Merriam-Webster dictionary. Where is this hate that many readers claim Troy posses? Perhaps, this hate dates back to Troy’s childhood. Born to a father who views himself as nothing more than a failure. A man who used his failure and anger as an excuse to abuse his family to a point where they no longer decide to fight back and eventually leave him. “Troy learns violence from him, but he also learns the value of work and the fact that a man takes responsibility for his family no matter how difficult circumstances may be” (page viii, Lloyd Richards).
The lessons that Troy has learned from what his father could not teach him through words, but rather through actions, is what Troy has really carried with him throughout his entire life. Troy learned the importance of work from an early age. “Right there is where I become a man...at fourteen years of age” (Page 52, Lloyd Richards). Troy uses the hate that he posses for his father and uses it to teach both of his son’s, Lyons and Cory, a lesson about life and the value of work. For Lyons, already a grown man who lives his own life, the hated Troy is a different situation to him than it is to Cory, who lives under Troy’s roof. Troy’s own hate of what he couldn't have, has led to Cory’s hate of him, taking away something he could have had, a successful and promising career in football. Troy’s constant regrets and hatred of the past of not being able to play baseball is what leads him to not allow Cory to be recruited for football. This hate definitely has a negative impact on the relationship between Troy and Cory, which in turn affects the relationship with Troy and Rose.
In some regards I agree to what many readers say about Troy, saying that he is a character full of hate. Hate that he couldn't be a baseball player, hate towards his father, hate towards what he can’t have. Troy abuses his experiences of not being able to play professional baseball to try to “protect” Cory from being devastated just like he was. Troy’s hate ultimately makes Cory resent him. Cory dreams of playing football and it is because of Troy that those dreams get destroyed. Whether it may be jealousy of his son or hatred of the game, Troy’s hate undoubtedly has a negative impact on his relationship with his son.
Troy is a complicated man with deep seeded anger but he wants the best for his two kids. Troy wants to make sure his kids have a good life where they can support themselves and their families but he realizes that he has to be tough on his kids especially Cory so they won’t end up like him. Troy wanted his kids to be ready for the real world where the black man is treated like a second class; he wanted to show that they would have to be very hard working to compete with the white men.
Troy did not want to show any love to Cory because he wanted to push Cory away from him. Troy said he wanted Cory to move far away from him. Troy was hopping that his son would not turn into him and become a better a person. Also Troy hates the idea of Cory playing Football because Troy thinks one Cory goes professional the White men won’t let him even touch the ball. He basically doesn’t want Cory to be Heartbroken like him when got fired from the major leagues. Troy hopes that Cory can learn his mistakes hopping that if he does it will fill the empty void in his heart.
Troy is very tough on Lyons because he is a grown man and doesn’t have job where he could support his family. Troy thinks Lyons is just trying to avoid working at all costs. He also believes that Lyons shouldn’t come to him to borrow money on his payday. Troy believes that you should only use money you have and lectured how once he borrowed money to buy furniture and he still paying 10 dollars every month even though he paid it off 15 years ago. Also Troy didn’t take the money when Lyons was paying him back because he said put it in the bank and the next time you want to borrow money take it from your bank account. Troy was trying to tell Lyons that you should only rely on yourself for money.
Troy is like a tragic hero, he wants to make sure that he could provide a good life for his kids but sometimes his stubbornness blinds him in seeing what his kids really want.
I do not agree with the opinion that Troy is full of hate. The reason that I disagree is because he just has a hard working mentality. He gets upset when people dont work hard for the reward they just expect that they deserve it by working half as hard as he would so then he would be able to see the finished product and be happy that he accomplished that and that he did a good job. He also wont be embarrased by his work. He is agrivated when his son leaves before his chors and he expected to not be in trouble and that he would not be in trouble but that is the opposite of the reputation that his dad tried to raise him as.
I dont agree that the way he acts ruins his relationships. Although it may seem that he is making the relationship worse he is making it stronger because the way that he is the work is the main thing in life and if you dont work hard you dont deserve good friends. He makes sure that people are hard workers and that they do not lack the working ethic like he does. That is one of the things that I can see in my view. He is just making sure that his friends are not taking advantage or not working hard which he does not respect people as much or at all if they dont work hard.
I disagree with the statement that Troy's hate negatively affects his relationships with the people around him. I think this because the people that are closest to him are always coming back to see him. He knows he has wisdom on everyone else in the group and the only way he knows how to express himself is through hate. He has this buildup of hate because of how his father treated him and that is transferring over to the relationships he has with others. He believes he is doing the best for every one else and he thinks the only way to put across his message is with hate. Even though he expresses hatefulness, the people in his life aren't leaving him. His oldest son keeps in contact just to find a buck when he needs it. His best friend is still by him because it's the only person he can relate to that well like a brother. His wife stays around to have someone to be with. Even though hate is present in his attitude, it isn't driving away the people that mean most in his life. This is the reason I believe his hate doesn't affect the relationships with the people in his life.
Yes, I do agree because with all the hate built up in him, one false move made by his friend or family member, can make Troy very angry causing him to take it out on that person he is with. That can cause his relationships to begin to go down hill.
Troy is filled with a lot of past anger from everything that has happened to him and he uses the people around him to release that anger which doesn't help his relationships. People have started to realize that Troy is always angry so they take it into account when they are with him and try not to increase his anger.
The reason Troy has relationships with people is because they think he has a lot of wisdom and that they can learn from him and prevent making mistakes that he made but he is so stubborn about that, that it hurts the relationship between him and his son Cory. Cory is wants to pursue football but Troy won't let him because he says he doesn't have a chance the white people. Troy should put his past behind him and encourage Cory if he is really talented.
Throughout the first scene in Fences by August Wilson, Troy can be depicted, through many eyes, as a man satiated with hatred that coerces relationships for the worse. However, his true intentions are hidden behind this facade, as he is attempting to shelter and protect his family out of his profuse love. He is so passionate in not having his mistakes retraced that he blindly and harmfully impacts his relationships. The former baseball player’s intent, seen as discouragement, is in fact to offer the best for his family with advice to avoid decisions made in his previous years.
In his early life, Troy was a successful player in the Negro Leagues, yet was deprived of becoming a professional due to what he believed was discrimination of his race. Now, employed as a garbage collector, he realizes that his aspirations in becoming a professional athlete were futile and that instead he should’ve focused more on his work. When he notices that Cory wants to pursue a career as a football player, he immediately resists with great enthusiasm saying, “That’s why I don’t want you to get all tied up in them sports” (Wilson, 32). Troy reasons that his son is wasting genuine opportunities in trade by concentrating in something that is suspect to crash. Although his decisions cause tension between the two, what is misunderstood as hate for Cory, is really him learning the “hard-knocks” much easier than his father once had.
“The white man ain’t gonna let you get nowhere with that football noway. You go on and get your book-learning so you can work yourself up in that A&P… That way you have something can’t nobody take away from you” (Wilson, 35). From various perspectives, Troy's attitude can be seen as depreciating Cory's effort, but once his past is analyzed, Troy's real goal is exposed. He doesn’t want Cory to make the same mistakes he once did. Love is rooted in his actions, which are superficially seen to be done in hate.
There are definitely traces of hate found in Troy's attitude throughout act one of "Fences". This hate stems from mistreatment at his current job as a black garbage collector to his former mistreatment as a black baseball player. The play takes place in the mid 90s, so there is plenty of hate and prejudice directed towards Troy's race. Over the years this has inevitably affected Troy's personality for the worse, causing him to act bitter towards his family and friends.
We see the first example of the obstacles Troy must face when he complains about blacks not being allowed to drive the garbage truck at his job. He has faced racism before, and clearly was sick of it since he complained to his boss about driving the truck. It isn't the first time that he has been segregated at work. In his younger days as a baseball player was not allowed to join the major league because of the color of his skin. By the time blacks were allowed in the majors he was too old to play. It seems like since then he has never viewed white people in a positive light, proven by his radical story that he had met the devil, describing him as white and well dressed, much like his current boss and the previous officials of major league baseball must have looked. The story shows the source of this bitterness, and he recounts it to Bono, Rose and Lyons. While the crazy stories stemming from his hate may cause them to view him as a crazy drunkard, Troy's relationship with the three characters in the first scene are not altered too much, especially Bono. It appears that throughout all the hate Troy has faced in his life, Bono is the one person who has stuck with him through thick and thin.
While his pal Bono still loves him, it is clear that Cory's view of his father is dampened by the negativity that radiates from Troy. Having never gotten over not being allowed into the major leagues, Troy seems to be jealous that his son Cory now has the opportunities Troy was robbed of long ago. So he refuses to allow Cory to continue with his football-playing career. His excuse is that he does not want his son to face a similar fate in the future, even though times have changed.
Troy also refuses to admit he likes his son, which is quite a shock, considering his position as a father. By claiming that his only job was to provide the family with financial support, Troy disregards the moral support required in order to properly raise a son. Once again this disregard and hate seems to stem from the mistreatment throughout his life. Sadly, it negatively affects his relationship with Cory, as his son cannot view his father the same way after he refuses to allow him to follow his dreams, let alone admit he likes him. Hate from years ago has somehow affected his relationship with his son today.
Y kudaimi
No I disagree because Troy deep down inside is really a good person. He just wants his kids to be able to support themselves. His personality seems like he is full of hate because he is angry about things that happened in his past. Troy only wants the best for his kids so he tries to make sure they don't bad mistakes in their lives. People in the story like his wife Rose never agrees with anything Troy says. So she may feel that he is full of hate in himself.
Troy is only showing his kids tough love and how to survive in this world. He is not trying to be and cruel and mean he is trying to tell them that you have to be strong in order to live a good life. Maybe the real reason why Troy seems like he is full of hate because Troy was physically abuse as a child. It is obvious that he still dwells on the past. By dwelling on the past he takes his frustration out on his
sons sometimes. Troy does have a good heart because if he didn't he wouldn't had tried to encourage his son to get back his job so he can live at least a descent life.
I think Troy's hate affects to his relationship between him and the others.
In the fences he is a person with full of hate. And it's definitely affects to Troy's relationship negatively.
The hate can't make the good relationship. Because hate is really important and effects a lot to relationship with people. If someone has hate, he acts really negatively to others. When someone have really hard time and hate, it shows in their actings. For the others, if they don't know the situation or even if they know the situation, they may feel really bad about someone that who has hate. And hate never can make the good relationship. When somebody hates something or someone, it shows in their behavior toward the others. And the other people will definitely feel the uncomfortable mood with the person who has hate. Also he can feel that someone has negative sight toward them when someone's behavior is bad. When someone behave really bad toward the others, they also feel and think negatively toward someone. Because they can see that in their behavior.
Second, in my opinion, Troy doesn't actually hate people around him but he just doesn't like his situation. The hate toward his situation can lead him to act really bad to people around him. Even if they know Troy feels really uncomfortable with his life, people can feel bad with his acting toward them. Because they understand Troy's situation and feeling, but they are same human. They definitely feel bad because they are human.
For example I just don't feel comfortable with my situation so I act really bad to my parents. My parents know that I'm having really hard situation but they still feel negatively because I act really mean to them. But this example happens not frequently. But in Troy's case, he hates his situation every time and acts mean to the others every time. So it can't make good relationship with the others.
In conclusion, Troy's hate definitely affects negatively to relationship with the others. Because hate plays really important role with the relationship between people. And also even if they just don't like their situation, it can leads them a bad relationship with the others.
In the play Fences by August, the main character Troy is filled with hate. Everyday, Troy is discriminated because of his race and past history. Whether its his boss not allowing him to drive a garbage truck or the family that runs the local market, he doesn't reserve his hatred. But, he does use his hatred for good use also. It gives him drive and initiative through his everyday life.
Troy's past life was conflicted. Being raised by an abusive home can affect one's behavior, but then his baseball career was ruined because he was too old, even though it was the only thing he loved in life. Again, he uses this hatred as a reason to keep striving forward; to prove everyone wrong.
In the play “Fences” Troy has a lot of deep-seated anger, which in turn negatively affects the majority of the people surrounding him. Troy’s anger towards the world appears to have started at a young age, and has never really went away since. The more unfortunate things that happen to him day-by-day, just increases the hate more. Many people take out their anger on the ones they love the most, however in reality they are are whom you can count on completely. That’s exactly what Troy does, he relieves his anger in ways that hurts him and the ones around.
I do not think that Troy is necessarily aware of the hurt he causes others. Troy is too selfish to actually see that he is the one causing the majority of the pain. Throughout the play, Troy has been very hostile. In his defense he has gone through lots in his life. However not by any means does that give him an excuse to treat people as poorly as he does for nonsensical reasons. I feel like Troy does everything just to prove a point. For example, when he was complaining how black men could not drive the garbage truck they could only lift the garbage. He always complained about that, until he got the job, although wasn’t even able to do it because he never has a license in the first place. Its immature things like that, he does just to prove a point that makes him very hostile and negatively affects the ones around him.
Troy was brought up with a father that would treat him with abuse and anger. His motivation to raise his sons in a different situation impacts him thinking back to his childhood. I agree that Troy lets his anger get to him and alot of his actions speak for him. It can be difficult growing up with an abusive father and feeling like your worth nothing. Troy wants the best for his family and tries his best to give them a better life and experience then he had in his early years. Overall, Troy may let the horrible memories get inside his head and take it out on his decision making with his family but he truely just wants what's best for them.
Troy doesn't hate the people that are around him only the situation he is in. It may look like he hates the people around him but he really just hates the situation he's in. With the way he is treated at work and his hard life make I'm a bitter man. His bitterness can lead some people to think that he hates the people around him.
Troy yells at others around him but rarely does he yell at them for the purposes they are speaking of. So far the only situation that Troy has been mad about would be Cory playing football and lying to him about getting his job back. Every other conversation where he has yelled at somebody stemmed from problems at work or his life problems in general.
Anthony Zaniolo
I don't agree with the opinion that Troy is full of hate! According to the story, Troy is more like a person who being outside. He can not catch up with the people surround him, he was left behind, and he knew that.
As soon as he found he was left behind, he still doesn't want to face the truth. He want to conceal his weakness, he want to protect himself from different to the time. So he shows a very bad attitude to every surround him, and this did impact his relationship. We can see him still actually loving his sons, his wife and his friends. He just messed up his relationship with his attitude, by I don't think he meand to do it.
Omar Alzein
Fences
Troy is definitely consumed by anger, however it is not the greatest contribution to his struggle with relationships. Troy’s relationship with Rose lags due to his living in the past. Troy blames his problems on his inability to play baseball professionally and his position in his workplace. He describes the success he would have if he where to play baseball to Rose constantly, but all that is understood is Troy’s obsession with his past. Troy despises his job because he picks up trashcans all day while mainly white people drive the truck. When he gets the job to drive the truck he realizes that he could not drive anyway because he is illiterate and does not have a license. The relationship between Rose and Troy mainly lags due to their financial issues and Troy’s self concerned, ignorant attitude.
Troy's strong values of equal treatment and hard-work cause him to make some decisions that we label as decisions made out of jealous and out of anger. However, he is doing what he has to do to protect his family. In order to understand his decisions one must understand the hardships and struggles black people had to endure at the time the book was set. Therefore, Troy is not a man full of hate, so his relationships aren't negatively affected.
Troy's decision to take Cory off the football team is often looked at as a decision of hate and jealously. However, Troy understands the unlikelihood of Cory being successful and sustaining himself through sports because of the time period. If anyone knows, Troy does experiencing the unjust ways of society firsthand when it comes to sports. Because of his value of hard-work he is trying to instill in Cory, he would rather have Cory find a stable trade to live off of.
This decision also has a lot to do with how his other son turned out. Lyons, is extremely irresponsible and can't afford to sustain his family, really relies on Troy to keep his family steady. Troy really is being a fence around his family, he is trying to exemplifies and do what Rose is singing about at the beginning of scene 3. Troy is not man of hate but a man full of love, though his decisions may seem harsh and tough they are always out of love.
I agree that Troy is full of hate, as Troy said to Rose he feels stuck, and he has become completely frustrated because of this. He's not only frustrated with his feeling of being stuck and marriage problems, he's frustrated with society. Being a black man in the 1950's his rights were really restricted. He seems to blame all of his personal problems and general problems in life on society. Yes, the era he lives in does hold him back from most things, have a strong income, a good job ect. He needs to take some responsibility of his unhappiness though.
Troy feels completely under appreciated. Supporting his family, dealing with his brother Gabes' problems, and constantly loaning money to his other son not living with him, Lyons. Troy has worked his whole like to support himself and his family and feeling exhausted because of it. He takes out his feelings of being unappreciated out on his son Cory. By jumping on his back about every little thing he feels Cory does that is disrespectful or undermining his authority in any way.
Troy also didn't not have a good relationship with his father. As Troy recalls memories of his father he tells the stories with passionate hatred against his father. This could also be a factor to why Troy treats Cory the way he does, but is definitely the fire that started Troy's anger.
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